Curse

Del · Jul 09, 2010, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

Wow, this makes me laugh, considering all alesia did when I was doing the quest is running up to mobs for death fodder.

My friend had the same problem with Stefan. Apparently he runs out the gate to die in the mob outside LA.

Celestina · Jul 09, 2010, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Well, since the other daggers are getting some love, Oppressor's Daggers dyed black

Hobbs · Jul 09, 2010, 10:47 PM // 22:47

That was pretty damn fun, the tedium of the other WiK quest was worth it just for that battle, undecided on what to waste my Medals of Honor on.

Also: Isaiah's Balance, I lol'd.

-Makai- · Jul 09, 2010, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Thanks again for the free content, Anet. It wasn't flawless, but with such a small workforce, that's to be expected. I do gotta say I'm a tiny bit miffed there aren't any commemorative items for Rits, Dervishes and Paragons. Yes, one could get an oppressor's weapon instead, but it's the thought that counts.

Speaking of Paragons, where the hell was Hayda for all this? You'd think someone with such illusions of grandeur would be at the front of this whole conflict.

By the way, are these weapons customized to your character like BMP equipment? Seems kind of silly for Medals of Honor to be personalized when their only use isn't.

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Originally Posted by Celestina

Well, since the other daggers are getting some love, Oppressor's Daggers dyed black

W...wow...now I actually feel like playing my Sin...

Edit: Just finished the last quest. VERY well done, Anet! That's the most fun I've had in GW in ages: so much that I don't want to turn it in.

Celestina · Jul 09, 2010, 11:16 PM // 23:16

No, the weapons aren't auto customized.

Ugh · Jul 09, 2010, 11:57 PM // 23:57

WiK was awesome, fun, and challenging. No complaints here.

Also, there were some nods to the GW vets, which were lulzy.

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Originally Posted by Arato

but melees and rangers.. might have trouble. I'm kinda dreading trying to find a PuG on my ranger.

I beat this mission with 2 rangers and a warrior.

Splinter Barrage is really good here since the mobs ball themselves (minions help a lot, though). All the melees are really useful, too; they all have AoE with scythes, sins have DB, and wars have HB/Whirlwind/Earth Shaker or whatever the hell they use. SY's always good, of course.

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Originally Posted by Sante_Kelm

I do gotta say I'm a tiny bit miffed there aren't any commemorative items for Rits, Dervishes and Paragons. Yes, one could get an oppressor's weapon instead, but it's the thought that counts.

The greens are reused skin, so personally, I didn't want them anyway. The golds are purdy, new, have changable mods, and they dye quite well.

Arato · Jul 10, 2010, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Celestina

Actually, if you go splinter barrage, you should be able to find a group easily as well. Splinter barrage really shines in the new mission.

Melee also shouldn't have much of a problem finding groups, as they have some pretty potent AoE options themselves and AoE is REALLY strong here since it's the same reward in normal mode, and mobs tend not to scatter in NM, and they clump up.

It took me about 20-30 minutes and offering to use a conset to get a group on my ranger, it does do a lot of damage though and it's pretty risk free damage considering with a longbow you can nuke mobs at the gate from behind the palisades, unless they have shadow step, they can't reach you.

But PuGs have it in their minds that the only classes they specifically look for are 2 healers, an MM, and an SoS, if they want AOE ironically they go for elementalist, even though a splinter/barrage ranger is a more effective nuker (Favorable Winds, Ward of Honor, and splinter weapon all add armor ignoring damage, as well as the +21 damage from barrage is armor ignoring) against high armor targets. Melee's way of getting into a group is to start inviting people, most people (including myself) don't want to lead, so if they volunteer to start their own group that's how they can get a group, but a group already started to form will not look for melee and I've seen several groups reject melee outright. Melee damage is only really effective in an organized group with a team build that is built around them, then it's absolutely devastating.. but melee in PuGs is a joke.

Celestina · Jul 10, 2010, 12:13 AM // 00:13

You're honestly going to tell me that DB+MS spam from a sin is a joke.......really?

Melee damage is effective regardless, having a party built around just makes it face-rape.

Del · Jul 10, 2010, 12:30 AM // 00:30

What kind of retard thinks an SY! spamming, ms/db or wota sin is bad for this? Shit's amazing.

Mustache Mayhem · Jul 10, 2010, 01:05 AM // 01:05

face rape lol

the thing I didn't get.. why have a keep if your going to open the doors and let everyone in

Celestina · Jul 10, 2010, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem

face rape lol

the thing I didn't get.. why have a keep if your going to open the doors and let everyone in

Because the way LA is set up, their advantage is there. Considering the fire power that backs up the white mantle (the mursaat) fighting them on their turf or even out in the field would be outright suicide, at least in LA the Shining Blade and their allies have defense set up, terrain advantage etc.

Basically, think of the gate as a choke point. In a real world scenario, one guy with a machine gun can completely decimate advancing forces in a choke point.

Or, for a far older example Boudica(SP)? against the..Romans I think. For a while, her and the other germanic tribes were making the Romans pretty damn scared that Boudica and her followers might actually be a major threat to them.........then however, a Roman general essentially back them into a narrow area, and slaughtered them.

Edit: My memory on the whole Boudica thing is a bit sketchy at best, but that's the basic idea.

Mustache Mayhem · Jul 10, 2010, 01:12 AM // 01:12

ah like a face rape trap.. usually you would sit up top on the wall and rain arrows down on the guys trying to get in

kind of like what happens to the grasps in d'alessio seaboard

Hugh Manatee · Jul 10, 2010, 01:17 AM // 01:17

^Saw a thing on fort design on PBS and these guys are right, the attacker will always have the initiative but if you design your defenses well you should be able to funnel the enemy where you want them to go as they penetrate them, forcing them to go through a meat grinder.

Now if the mantle and mursaat were smart, they would have done what the charr did, which is how you really pull off a seige, blow em the hell up and make your own route in(in real life they dug tunnels, used catapults, balistas, cannons, other seige engines and dynamite to work this, the romans even built a damn mountain by piling dirt to get at a fort on a hill and rolled seige towers up it). But by opening the gates they triggered the fight early. before the mursaat could "sear" LA

Celestina · Jul 10, 2010, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Eh, you also have to remember though that the Searing really wasn't the charr, it was the Titans if I remember correctly and by extension Abbadon.

Imaginos · Jul 10, 2010, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Celestina

Because the way LA is set up, their advantage is there. Considering the fire power that backs up the white mantle (the mursaat) fighting them on their turf or even out in the field would be outright suicide, at least in LA the Shining Blade and their allies have defense set up, terrain advantage etc.

Basically, think of the gate as a choke point. In a real world scenario, one guy with a machine gun can completely decimate advancing forces in a choke point.

Or, for a far older example Boudica(SP)? against the..Romans I think. For a while, her and the other germanic tribes were making the Romans pretty damn scared that Boudica and her followers might actually be a major threat to them.........then however, a Roman general essentially back them into a narrow area, and slaughtered them.

Edit: My memory on the whole Boudica thing is a bit sketchy at best, but that's the basic idea.

It's called a siege. Defenders stay INSIDE their protective walls and rain death via siege engines and arrows onto the enemies while keeping them at bay via their fortress. Opening the gate and letting the foes just pour in en-masse when you're outnumbered and lacking proper murder holes is just stupid.

Celestina · Jul 10, 2010, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Imaginos

It's called a siege. Defenders stay INSIDE their protective walls and rain death via siege engines and arrows onto the enemies while keeping them at bay via their fortress. Opening the gate and letting the foes just pour in en-masse when you're outnumbered and lacking proper murder holes is just stupid.

Did you see any siege weapons? Because I sure didn't. And you also have to remember, considering your strategy would require archers alone, the mursaat would slaughter them and dance on their graves, leaving the forces behind the gate at even more of a disadvantage as far as offensive strength.

IlikeGW · Jul 10, 2010, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by Celestina

Basically, think of the gate as a choke point. In a real world scenario, one guy with a machine gun can completely decimate advancing forces in a choke point.

Even though it was good strategy for the Shining Blade I can't believe they made the Mantle stupid enough that it was their whole attack to walk through the choke point. Hey White Mantle, ever heard of I dunno, a ladder? A siege tower? A catapult? Nah screw it we'll just walk into that fortified city to certain death. Not only that we'll send everyone we have left so there's no hope at all of us ever reorganizing. I guess they're all kamikaze but it was a bit disappointing that the devs didn't really catch the flavor of a great battle so much a videogamey mulch the AI battle.

Crystal Of Winter · Jul 10, 2010, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Well first time I was running Spiritway and got wiped on the Ranger boss + 10 Jade Cloaks.

Second time I decided to randomway and bring 1 MM, 1 spirit spammer 1 Savan Nuker then a Mage and Healer henchmen. (I, myself was a Monk RoJ nuker + PvE skills).

Shortly into the fight I realized that the only person casting any form of a heal was the level 12 (un-infused) healer henchmen but decided to continue anyways...

Needless to say that the only people left alive at the end were Salma and Dinas and my H/H group on -60% DP.

Have to admit, that was the most fun and tense moments I've ever had in GW, good job Anet!

Celestina · Jul 10, 2010, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

Even though it was good strategy for the Shining Blade I can't believe they made the Mantle stupid enough that it was their whole attack to walk through the choke point. Hey White Mantle, ever heard of I dunno, a ladder? A siege tower? A catapult? Nah screw it we'll just walk into that fortified city to certain death. Not only that we'll send everyone we have left so there's no hope at all of us ever reorganizing. I guess they're all kamikaze but it was a bit disappointing that the devs didn't really catch the flavor of a great battle so much a videogamey mulch the AI battle.

True....but you also have to remember AI doesn't go that far in Guild Wars ;P Plus, it's also free content.

Would definately add another interesting element to it though.

As as far as reorganizing, pretty sure they still exist in GW2 just not nearly as powerful.

Imaginos · Jul 10, 2010, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Celestina

Did you see any siege weapons? Because I sure didn't. And you also have to remember, considering your strategy would require archers alone, the mursaat would slaughter them and dance on their graves, leaving the forces behind the gate at even more of a disadvantage as far as offensive strength.

Spare me. the krytans have zinn and healers and they could have siege weapons built, they have plenty of casters for their walls too.